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Tim Rutherford-Johnson

"4 : a regularly recurrent quantitative change in a variable biological process"

That sounds like a great place to start from! Apologies if this is stating the obvious (it probably is), but one composer who deals in a sort of variable organic process is Ligeti - especially in several of the Piano Etudes, or a piece like Continuum. Don't know if that's what you're after; I'm also reminded (in a different way) of Schoenberg's reading of Brahms - continuing Variation, etc.

Marcus

I haven't yet looked at the Ligeti etudes, and you're definitely right about organic processes happening there. It's been a long time since I've visited these anyway. I used to try to hack through them, maybe I'll get a bottle of wine and see what I can discover!

Steve Hicken

Congratulations, Marcus! And good luck!

I suppose I have a different reaction than most when I think of rhythmic music--I tend to think of Carter or of the Birtwhistle of Earth Dances rather than pulsation.

Marcus

Thank you thank you, Steve! Luck I will definitely need.

And your post is exactly what I'm looking for - What do people think of? I know the most "obvious" answer would be, as you say, music that plays with "pulsation" and I'm wondering whether I should aim my piece to hit on that receptor or go for the Birtwistle/Carter type of rhythmic flux. Perhaps I should just stop worrying and *write*!

Steve Hicken

Just "write"?!?! That's what all the pre-compositional stuff is for; to avoid putting pencil to paper!

Lisa Hirsch

Whoa, what great news, Marcus! Congratulations.

If I were answering those questions....

1. Music of the Ars Nova. Indian and gamelan music.

2. Hmmm. Beyond all of those sharply-profiled "knocking" rhythms in Beethoven...let me think about this.

3. Messiaen. John Adams. Ooops, Messiaen is dead, so move him to 1. Glass, Reich?

venicekeith

Leo Brouwer: modern, rhythmic

Brendan McNamara

Congratulations on the commission! We had our wodowind quintet pieces performed together in Cincinnati a few years ago, which is perhaps one of the first times you heard eighth blackbird as well. I can definitely say you would be well equipped to handle writing "rhythm" for them.

Having seen eighth blackbird in their (and my!) developmental stage at CCM, I devoted a good bit of thought to how I would write a piece for them. I think the key to "rhythm" in a group like eighth blackbird is the lack of a conductor, the lack of a need to wrap everything up into one neat package metrically. There doesn't even have to be a "score". I think Cage wrote a late orchestral work (108, or some similar number of performers, and thus the title) where each player has a separate part, but there is no score and no conductor.

I think one of the less discussed but mor eimportant roles of a composer is to provide new challenges to performers. Imagine giving them six parts, each with their own rhythmic profile and conceived to be played simultaneously, yet with the "lining up" of parts left to be completed by the group. You could present eighth blackbird with an opportunity for growth as a great 10th anniversary gift.

Marcus

Great to hear from you Brendan - hope you're doing well!

I definitely am interested in the type of writing you talk about, but I don't know if I'm brave enough to try it on such a high-profile commission. Call me a wimp....

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